Tucker: The left calls the border wall immoral


  • Published on: 2019-01-04
  • >> Tucker: GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO "TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT." THERE IS A NEW CONGRESS HERE IN WASHINGTON. BUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN CONTINUES AS BEFORE. THE STALEMATE OVER THE BORDER WALL FUNDING ENTERED THE THIRD WEEK. EACH SIDE BETTING THE OTHER WILL GIVE IN FIRST. NEGOTIATIONS CONTINUE AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY BUT APPARENTLY THEY BORE NO FRUIT. BECAUSE AFTERWARDS THE PRESIDENT EMERGED TO SAY THE SITUATION ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS SO GRAVE HE MAY BE FORCED TO BUILD A WALL WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. >> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED USING EMERGENCY POWERS TO GRANT YOURSELF AUTHORITY TO BUILD THIS WALL WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL? AND SECOND -- >> YES, I HAVE. >> YOU HAVE? >> President Trump: I HAVE. I CAN DO IT IF I WANT. >> SO YOU DON'T NEED CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL? >> President Trump: NO. WE CAN CALL A NATIONAL EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY OF THE COUNTRY. ABSOLUTELY. NO WE CAN DO IT. I HAVEN'T DONE IT. I MAY DO IT. BUT WE CAN CALL A NATIONAL EMERGENCY AND BUILD IT QUICKLY. >> Tucker: DEMOCRATS CALL THAT EXTREMISM. WHO ARE EXTREME? THE ONE WHO REFUSE TO DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAID THEY WILL NEVER ALLOCATE A SINGLE TAX DOLLAR TO BUILD A BORDER WALL. NOT BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, THESE ARE THE DEMOCRATS. BUT A WALL WOULD VIOLATE A PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN AND NEVER EXPLAINED MORAL CODE. WATCH. >> THE FACT IS A WALL IS AN IMMORALITY. IT'S NOT WHO WE ARE AS A NATION. IT'S AN OLD WAY OF THINKING. >> Tucker: IT'S TEMPTING TO ASSUME THAT THE SPEAKER MISSPOKEN THERE. BUT IT'S HARDLY THE FIRST TIME SHE SAID IT. IMMORAL. IMMORALITY. SHE USED THE WORDS REPEATEDLY. DEMOCRAT IS THE HIGHEST RANKING DEMOCRAT IN THE UNITED STATES. THE LEADER OF HER PARTY. SO WE SHOULD NOT BLOW IT OFF. WE SHOULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. AS A MATTER OF POLICY, DEMOCRATS BELIEVE A BORDER WALL IS IMMORAL. THAT RAISES THE QUESTION WHAT DO THEY CONSIDER MORAL? WELL, AMERICAN TROOPS STUCK FOREVER IN SYRIA FOR ONE THING. THAT IS JUST FINE. SEX-SELECTIVE ABORTIONS PAID FOR WITH THE TAX DOLLARS. CAN'T GET MORE MORAL THAN THAT. AN TIFF FA IN -- AND ANTIFA IN THE STREET IS ALL PERFECTLY MORAL. WALLS CAN BE MORAL IN THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES BUT CAN'T PROTECT AMERICA. THEY SIGNED OFF FOR BORDERS IN ISRAEL, EGYPT AND JORDAN. NO PROBLEM. BUT HERE ON BEHALF OF OUR OWN PEOPLE NO. AMERICANS DON'T DESERVE THAT. THEY ARE IMMORAL FOR ASKING. THOSE ARE THE PARAMETERS TO THE MORALITY. WHAT RELIGION IS THIS EXACTLY? WE ARE JOINED BY AN ATTORNEY, RADIO HOST, FORMER AIDE TO CHUCK SCHUMER AND HE JOINS US TONIGHT. IF YOU WOULD, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. NANCY PELOSI REPEATEDLY CALLED THE WALL IMMORAL. AT FIRST I THOUGHT SHE TALKS A LOT AND SOMETIMES YOU MISSPEAK. I KNOW THE FEELING. BUT NOW SHE IS SAYING SOMETHING AS THE LEADER OFFICIALLY OF THE PARTY. SO THE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE BORDER WALLS ARE IMMORAL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> I DON'T THINK SHE MEANS IT IN THE GOOD VERSUS EVIL TYPE OF MORALITY. BUT RATHER THIS IS A WASTE OF MONEY SINCE A LADDER AND A ROPE CAN BEAT A WALL. >> Tucker: LET ME INTERRUPT YOU. WHAT OTHER SENSE OF IMMORAL IS THERE? BY DEFINITION IMMORAL DESCRIBES SOMETHING NOT MORAL. IN THE SCHEME OF MORALITY, A RELIGIOUS PRECEPT. MA DOES IT MEAN? HOW IS THE WALL IMMORAL? >> LOOK. I DON'T THINK SHE MEANS IT IN A GOOD VERSUS EVIL RELIGIOUS WAY. >> Tucker: WHAT OTHER WAY IS THERE? >> IT'S STUPID THING TO BUILD WHEN A GUY WITH A LADDER AND FOOT TALL AND ROPE TO GET ON THE OTHER SIDE COULD BEAT IT. AND FRANKLY TO BORROW THE N.R.A.'S ARGUMENT, THOUGH, IF WE PUT A WALL UP TO BLOCK OUT ILLEGAL -- PEOPLE WHO COME HERE TO WANT TO HARM US. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE LEGALLY ARE THE ONLY ONES STOPPED BY THE WALL. PEOPLE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY AROUND IT LIKE THEY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET GUNS. >> Tucker: SO THEY WILL GET THEIR OWN -- I THINK I'M FOLLOWING YOU. THEY WILL GET THEIR OWN WALL AND BUY A WALL ON THE BLACK MARKET AND BRING THE WALL TO OUR WALL AND BEAT IT? IS THAT CONTINUING THE METAPHOR? >> LAW ABIDING PEOPLE ARE STOPPED BY THE WALL BUT PEOPLE WHO WISH TO BREAK OUR LAWS WILL AVOID THE WALL. THAT IS THE RIGHT ARGUMENT FOR EVERYTHING -- >> Tucker: I'M TRYING TO -- >> IT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED HERE, TOO. >> Tucker: I'M TRYING TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. IS THAT ALSO TRUE IN PRISON SURROUNDED BY LAWS? LAWS MEANT TO KEEP LAWBREAKERS IN? DO THEY NOT WORK? >> A PRISON IS A COUPLE OF ACRES. YOU HAVE CENTURY POINT TO MONITOR THE WALL. THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF MILES OF WALL. DO WE HAVE CENTURIES EVERY HUNDRED FEET TO WATCH THE WALL? WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH THE MODERN TECHNOLOGY AND USE THE DRONES AND OTHER THINGS TO MONITOR THE BORDER AND MAKE SURE IT'S BACKED UP BY THE APPROPRIATE BORDER PATROL. >> Tucker: I'M TRYING TO BE REASONABLE. >> IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. >> Tucker: WE BOTH KNOW YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF MORE PEOPLE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY AND I'M NOT. THAT IS THE ACTUAL DEBATE. >> I'M NOT. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANYBODY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY. >> Tucker: OF COURSE WE ARE NOT. I WANT TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE IDEA OF MORALITY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. THE LEADER OF A POLITICAL PARTY CALLS THE OTHER SIDE IMMORAL IS NOT A SMALL THING. THE SAME DAY SHE SAID THAT SHE PUSHED TO ALLOW TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM THE UNITED STATES TO GO ABROAD TO FUND ABORTIONS IN LATIN AMERICA, AMONG OTHER PLACES. SO YOU ARE SAYING IT'S IMMORAL TO KEEP LATIN AMERICA OUT WITH A WALL BUT IS NOT IMMORAL TO PAY FOR LATIN AMERICAN ABORTIONS? THAT IS WHAT NANCY PELOSI IS SAYING. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> WE WOULD NEED A COUPLE OF HOURS TO DISCUSS THE MOR RALTY OF ACTION -- MORALITY OF THE ACTION OF CHOICE. I'M PRO CHOICE. I WON'T PUSH -- >> Tucker: IS IT IMMORAL TO PAY FOR ABORTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES? >> TAX DOLLARS DO NOT PAY FOR ABORTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRIES. >> Tucker: THEY ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. >> SO IT WILL NEVER GO THAT WAY. TO DEBATE IF IT'S MORAL OR IMMORAL IS A LORG CONVERSATION. >> Tucker: IT'S NOT. >> I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO CONDUCT THEOLOGY HERE. I'M ASKING FOR YOUR VIEW. TAXPAYER MONEY FOR SEX-SELECTED ABORTION, WHICH PELOSI IS FOR, OR BUILDING A WALL? WHICH IS IMMORAL? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SHE IS FOR SEX-SELECTIVE ABORTIONS. >> Tucker: SHE IS. SHE IS. >> THAT IS AN OVERREACH OF WHAT SHE IS FOR. >> Tucker: IN FACT SHE IS. >> THE MORE MORAL USE OF THE FUNDING FOR THE WALL IS TO FIX BRIDGES AND ROADS CRUMBLING IN THE COUNTRY THAT KNEAD REPAIR AND SPEND A COUPLE OF BUCKS ON RING DOORBELLS FOR THE BORDER SECURITY IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A PROBLEM. WHAT IS IMMORAL IS THE PRESIDENT MAKING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST. >> Tucker: REALLY QUICK. AT THE SAME TAME AGAIN THAT SHE WAS PUSHING AGAINST AMERICAN'S ABILITY TO DEFEND ITSELF AND THE BORDERS AND FOR MORE TAXPAYER FUNDED ABORTIONS IN OTHER COUNTRY E IS PUSHING FOR MORE FOREIGN AID FOR COUNTRIES SOME OF WHICH WOULD GO TO BORDER SECURITY. WE FUNDED WITH HER APPROVAL BORDER SECURITY AND WALLS IN A BUNCH OF OTHER COUNTRIES. WHY WERE THOSE NOT IMMORAL BUT OUR WALL IS IMMORAL? >> WELL, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ISRAELI WALL, AND OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE THE WALLS LIKE THAT, THEY ARE IN A CONSTANT STATE OF THE WAR WITH THE NEIGHBOR. WE ARE NOT IN A STATE OF WAR WITH MEXICO. >> Tucker: NOT TRUE. >> WE ARE NOT HAVING A TRY ANALYSIS OF THE BORDER -- CRISIS OF THE BORDER. PEOPLE DON'T LOB BOMBS FROM THE COUNTRY FROM MEXICO. THEY ARE THE BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER. >> Tucker: I UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BARRIERS IN ISRAEL, SOME OF THEM ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP TERRORISTS FROM COMING IN. I DON'T THINK ANYONE QUESTION THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. GOOD FOR THEM. BUT THERE IS ALSO A BORDER ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF EGYPT DESIGNED TO KEEP IMMIGRANTS FROM AFRICA OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY. I THINK IT'S ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO BUILD THE WALL. I WOULDN'T CONTEST THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. BUT NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT EITHER. THAT WALL IS NOT IMMORAL. OUR WALL IS IMMORAL. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT IS THE ANSWER? >> YOU KNOW, WE ARE A NATION OF. I -- OF IMMIGRANTS. IT MAKES US GREAT AND GIVES US COMPETITIVE EDGE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. IF THE PRESIDENT AND THE PARTY WANT TO CHANGE THAT, THAT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT. BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING DEMAGOGUING ABOUT A INVISIBLE THREAT THAT DOES NOT EXIST AT THE BORDERMENT. IT'S TIME TO STOP THAT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SECURITY. >> Tucker: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE HERE ILLEGALLY IN THE UNITED STATES? DO YOU KNOW? >> I WOULD THINK OVER 10 MILLION. 10 TO 14 MILLION. >> Tucker: TRY OVER 20. THIS IS AN ESTIMATE FROM THE IVY LEAGUE RESEARCHERS. DOES IT SEEM LIKE A LOT. DOES IT SEEM LIKE THE CURRENT BORDER SECURITY IS WORKING? >> IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 90% OF THOSE PEOPLE, TUCKER, DID NOT CROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? >> THEY MAY HAVE COME HIRE ON A PLANE OR A BOAT. >> YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE HERE. HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY GOT HERE? >> I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT QUESTION. BUT EVERY IVY LEAGUE STUDY I HAVE READ SHOWS EVERY IVY LEAGUE STUDY I READ ABOUT THE TOPIC SAYS THE SAME THING. MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY OVERSTAYED THEIR VISAS. BUILDING A WALL AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT. IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. >> Tucker: WE ARE JUST GUESSING THAT IT'S NOT GOING
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